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		<title>By: Daniel Gaillour</title>
		<link>http://www.sharms.org/blog/2009/07/fedora-11-vs-ubuntu-9-04/comment-page-1/#comment-1269</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Gaillour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I am a new Linux user coming from the windows world and have recently tried both distributions.  My windows background:  IT with about 10 years experience supporting windows platform apps.  I first installed Ubuntu about 3 months ago and had a good first experience with the OS.  All the devices were detected and performed from the start on a machine that I built myself.  I still have audio issues that require a reboot to fix periodically.  Nearly every install or upgrade that I attempted in Ubuntu had great user support online and good instruction on command lines to use.  I found that the community was friendlier that most Linux distros (which often come across as condescending and arrogant towards everyone else that is not running their distro - for example...read some of the comments from other users above) I know, I am a Windows guy, what do I know.  Ubuntu just did not have that going on.  After running Ubuntu for a week I decided that I like it so much that I permanently switched to it as my main desktop OS.  After researching the RedHat line of OS&#039;s I decided to give Fedora a whirl.  The box I chose to use was shipped originally with Mandrake, so I figured that the OS should find all the drivers without much problem.  Wrong.  Video, audio and network cards not found.  Nvidia video, AC97 audio and 3Com network card.  Pretty standard stuff.  The menu options were far less usable compared to the Ubuntu setup too.  Since I am already happy with Ubuntu I decided that I did not want to spend too much time just trying to get the system functional using Fedora and installed Ubuntu 9.10 over the existing Fedora installation.   The reload took about 30 minutes.  Video works, audio works and so does the network card.  To Linux diehards, Ubuntu may not be the best Linux distro, but it will likely be more successful in generating converts.  In fact, I actually decided to give Ubuntu a try just because a low level user that I support at my job bought a Dell mini with Ubuntu and was successful in using it and liked it enough to consider dumping Windows to go Linux.  My thoughts were, &quot;If this user can do it, there must be something to it&quot;.  Anyway, that has been my experience and I am looking forward to delving deeper to Linux now and actually have had my desire to stay in IT re-kindled by working in the Linux side of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I am a new Linux user coming from the windows world and have recently tried both distributions.  My windows background:  IT with about 10 years experience supporting windows platform apps.  I first installed Ubuntu about 3 months ago and had a good first experience with the OS.  All the devices were detected and performed from the start on a machine that I built myself.  I still have audio issues that require a reboot to fix periodically.  Nearly every install or upgrade that I attempted in Ubuntu had great user support online and good instruction on command lines to use.  I found that the community was friendlier that most Linux distros (which often come across as condescending and arrogant towards everyone else that is not running their distro &#8211; for example&#8230;read some of the comments from other users above) I know, I am a Windows guy, what do I know.  Ubuntu just did not have that going on.  After running Ubuntu for a week I decided that I like it so much that I permanently switched to it as my main desktop OS.  After researching the RedHat line of OS&#8217;s I decided to give Fedora a whirl.  The box I chose to use was shipped originally with Mandrake, so I figured that the OS should find all the drivers without much problem.  Wrong.  Video, audio and network cards not found.  Nvidia video, AC97 audio and 3Com network card.  Pretty standard stuff.  The menu options were far less usable compared to the Ubuntu setup too.  Since I am already happy with Ubuntu I decided that I did not want to spend too much time just trying to get the system functional using Fedora and installed Ubuntu 9.10 over the existing Fedora installation.   The reload took about 30 minutes.  Video works, audio works and so does the network card.  To Linux diehards, Ubuntu may not be the best Linux distro, but it will likely be more successful in generating converts.  In fact, I actually decided to give Ubuntu a try just because a low level user that I support at my job bought a Dell mini with Ubuntu and was successful in using it and liked it enough to consider dumping Windows to go Linux.  My thoughts were, &#8220;If this user can do it, there must be something to it&#8221;.  Anyway, that has been my experience and I am looking forward to delving deeper to Linux now and actually have had my desire to stay in IT re-kindled by working in the Linux side of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Tejas Hosangadi</title>
		<link>http://www.sharms.org/blog/2009/07/fedora-11-vs-ubuntu-9-04/comment-page-1/#comment-1268</link>
		<dc:creator>Tejas Hosangadi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 02:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Fedora has its advantages and disadvantages. But one place where fedora is ahead is in server applications such as apache, which are included by default</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Fedora has its advantages and disadvantages. But one place where fedora is ahead is in server applications such as apache, which are included by default</p>
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		<title>By: Francesco Calvetti</title>
		<link>http://www.sharms.org/blog/2009/07/fedora-11-vs-ubuntu-9-04/comment-page-1/#comment-1267</link>
		<dc:creator>Francesco Calvetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gooboontu &quot;1. The grating, annoying culture. Examples: Ubuntu is human (just because of the ugly brown interface), the official site designer has a coffee obsession, Ubuntu developers have a wacko fetish for alliteration, and strange, imaginary animals (Jaunty Jackalope – lol!). &quot;
Oh wow, I cracked up when I heard that; I have been using Ubuntu for over a year; although I tried all of the big linux distros; and in my opinion over a year ago; Ubuntu came out on top; but now my feet have gotten itchy and I feel the need to jump to Fedora, which even over a year ago was second best, but I am hearing some good stuff about Linux Mint, which looked pretty damn good from the pics and known for a being a branch off of ubuntu so I have a feeling if the Fedora doesn&#039;t work out I might as well jump board and go Minty...

Calvetti</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gooboontu &#8220;1. The grating, annoying culture. Examples: Ubuntu is human (just because of the ugly brown interface), the official site designer has a coffee obsession, Ubuntu developers have a wacko fetish for alliteration, and strange, imaginary animals (Jaunty Jackalope – lol!). &#8221;<br />
Oh wow, I cracked up when I heard that; I have been using Ubuntu for over a year; although I tried all of the big linux distros; and in my opinion over a year ago; Ubuntu came out on top; but now my feet have gotten itchy and I feel the need to jump to Fedora, which even over a year ago was second best, but I am hearing some good stuff about Linux Mint, which looked pretty damn good from the pics and known for a being a branch off of ubuntu so I have a feeling if the Fedora doesn&#8217;t work out I might as well jump board and go Minty&#8230;</p>
<p>Calvetti</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.sharms.org/blog/2009/07/fedora-11-vs-ubuntu-9-04/comment-page-1/#comment-1266</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a developer, Fedora eclipse install from yum wins it.  But I have to admitt, I don&#039;t know Ubuntu that well.  I do like the httpd config layout.  All in all, I don;t think it matters, what&#039;s incredible is that we now have Linux disto&#039;s that are leaps and bounds ahead of other OSs.  &quot;Windows 7 needs to reboot several times during installation&quot;.  Laughable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a developer, Fedora eclipse install from yum wins it.  But I have to admitt, I don&#8217;t know Ubuntu that well.  I do like the httpd config layout.  All in all, I don;t think it matters, what&#8217;s incredible is that we now have Linux disto&#8217;s that are leaps and bounds ahead of other OSs.  &#8220;Windows 7 needs to reboot several times during installation&#8221;.  Laughable.</p>
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		<title>By: Tweet</title>
		<link>http://www.sharms.org/blog/2009/07/fedora-11-vs-ubuntu-9-04/comment-page-1/#comment-1265</link>
		<dc:creator>Tweet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just have a doubt that I&#039;d like to get cleared , have you ever tried fedora . From the looks of it you are just  a upuuuuunt fan trying to jerk around . I don&#039;t mean any offence . You can&#039;t just prove your point by just pointing ubuntu rocks of something ironic of that sort . I&#039;ve tried about 25 distros on this PC and according what I think , fedora is still on top .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just have a doubt that I&#8217;d like to get cleared , have you ever tried fedora . From the looks of it you are just  a upuuuuunt fan trying to jerk around . I don&#8217;t mean any offence . You can&#8217;t just prove your point by just pointing ubuntu rocks of something ironic of that sort . I&#8217;ve tried about 25 distros on this PC and according what I think , fedora is still on top .</p>
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		<title>By: Gooboontu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gooboontu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ubuntu is now more customizeable than it&#039;s been known to be, depending on what you want to customize.  However, the things that cannot be tweaked include:

1. The grating, annoying culture. Examples:  Ubuntu is human (just because of the ugly brown interface), the official site designer has a coffee obsession, Ubuntu developers have a wacko fetish for alliteration, and strange, imaginary animals (Jaunty Jackalope - lol!).

2. The site is now so overloaded that if you post a question there, and you come back to it more than an hour later, you had better know how to find it again, because it will already have been pushed to the back pages. Come back the next day, and it could be buried under enough posts to make a book or two!

3. Possibly due to the above, the techs there are less helpful than those at other distros, and should you have suggestions for how they could improve that distro, or bugs to report, their opinions tend to be rigid. Ask them why they insist on making you use sudo to work on your system files instead of open an administrator session (an Ubuntu exclusive, as if the rest of Linux-world was full of idiots), you will see just how quickly they turn into war penguins!

I&#039;ve been using Ubuntu since March, and am at last fed up enough to go give Fedora a try.  I&#039;m tired of the game of wack-a-mole I keep getting dragged into with bugs in the configurable interface (Ubuntu-style). I&#039;ve had enough of the lame excuses I see posted whenever there&#039;s a  sloppy display issue, on anything from video to their gnome panels. Finally, I&#039;ve seen enough bragging of the biggest software repo ever to unload programs which are useless because all they do is crash! The Jaunty Jackalopes want to snivel and snap at their users, so maybe I&#039;ll see better attitude with the distro which wants to Reign!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ubuntu is now more customizeable than it&#8217;s been known to be, depending on what you want to customize.  However, the things that cannot be tweaked include:</p>
<p>1. The grating, annoying culture. Examples:  Ubuntu is human (just because of the ugly brown interface), the official site designer has a coffee obsession, Ubuntu developers have a wacko fetish for alliteration, and strange, imaginary animals (Jaunty Jackalope &#8211; lol!).</p>
<p>2. The site is now so overloaded that if you post a question there, and you come back to it more than an hour later, you had better know how to find it again, because it will already have been pushed to the back pages. Come back the next day, and it could be buried under enough posts to make a book or two!</p>
<p>3. Possibly due to the above, the techs there are less helpful than those at other distros, and should you have suggestions for how they could improve that distro, or bugs to report, their opinions tend to be rigid. Ask them why they insist on making you use sudo to work on your system files instead of open an administrator session (an Ubuntu exclusive, as if the rest of Linux-world was full of idiots), you will see just how quickly they turn into war penguins!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been using Ubuntu since March, and am at last fed up enough to go give Fedora a try.  I&#8217;m tired of the game of wack-a-mole I keep getting dragged into with bugs in the configurable interface (Ubuntu-style). I&#8217;ve had enough of the lame excuses I see posted whenever there&#8217;s a  sloppy display issue, on anything from video to their gnome panels. Finally, I&#8217;ve seen enough bragging of the biggest software repo ever to unload programs which are useless because all they do is crash! The Jaunty Jackalopes want to snivel and snap at their users, so maybe I&#8217;ll see better attitude with the distro which wants to Reign!</p>
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		<title>By: Luckchancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luckchancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neither will win a competition on Looks?????????? Obviously you have not tried to customise Ubuntu to your taste. and let me tell you it is very customizable . I dont know about Fedora. But UBUNTU , with Wallpaper tray installed along with CLEAR LOOKS , fav wallpapers being flipped every 10 minutes, task bar colours personalized , win.7 is NOWHERE near it(or any other os for that matter)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither will win a competition on Looks?????????? Obviously you have not tried to customise Ubuntu to your taste. and let me tell you it is very customizable . I dont know about Fedora. But UBUNTU , with Wallpaper tray installed along with CLEAR LOOKS , fav wallpapers being flipped every 10 minutes, task bar colours personalized , win.7 is NOWHERE near it(or any other os for that matter)</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://www.sharms.org/blog/2009/07/fedora-11-vs-ubuntu-9-04/comment-page-1/#comment-1262</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;and I love using apt just out of habit&quot;

Finally! A sincere distro comparison - and there&#039;s no irony here.

It&#039;s all (or most of it) down to habit, folks, down to what we&#039;re used to, what we believe in and what we, personally, prefer. Think for a bit - if you take apart version differences due to release dates and look at a given x distros over a year, the package repertoire (apart from some outliers) is mostly the same, major components (GNOME/KDE/XFCE, Firefox, OpenOffice.Org, ...) are the same, what&#039;s really different is: relatively low-level tweaks (just how many of you compile your own kernel to get UXA and KMS?), some configuration variables and default settings. And it has always been my deep belief that it&#039;s the default that determine the &quot;average user&#039;s&quot; experience.

As an example, just take a look at Phoronix - I often do - and you&#039;ll see that speed-wise, there are no clear winners (although, admittedly, Ubuntu seems to have a lead quite often. Whether this can be matched by running updates on other distros is another question). Similarly, any distro can be made to look/behave more or less like any other one. So, what wins, and dictates the final verdict, in any distro comparison? Habit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and I love using apt just out of habit&#8221;</p>
<p>Finally! A sincere distro comparison &#8211; and there&#8217;s no irony here.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all (or most of it) down to habit, folks, down to what we&#8217;re used to, what we believe in and what we, personally, prefer. Think for a bit &#8211; if you take apart version differences due to release dates and look at a given x distros over a year, the package repertoire (apart from some outliers) is mostly the same, major components (GNOME/KDE/XFCE, Firefox, OpenOffice.Org, &#8230;) are the same, what&#8217;s really different is: relatively low-level tweaks (just how many of you compile your own kernel to get UXA and KMS?), some configuration variables and default settings. And it has always been my deep belief that it&#8217;s the default that determine the &#8220;average user&#8217;s&#8221; experience.</p>
<p>As an example, just take a look at Phoronix &#8211; I often do &#8211; and you&#8217;ll see that speed-wise, there are no clear winners (although, admittedly, Ubuntu seems to have a lead quite often. Whether this can be matched by running updates on other distros is another question). Similarly, any distro can be made to look/behave more or less like any other one. So, what wins, and dictates the final verdict, in any distro comparison? Habit!</p>
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		<title>By: Innocent Bystander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Innocent Bystander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use Ubuntu 9.04 (32 and 64 bits) and also LinuxMint 7. I am new to Linux. Just want to give my opinion about the Ubuntu Community. My main source of tech support is http://ubuntuforums.org. This forum scrolls so fast that most of the time my posts remain unanswered (+50% of the time). Especially now as it seems like there is more posts on the forum (may be a sign of more Ubuntu users?). In anyway, this forum becomes less useful. LinuxMint forum is more responsive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use Ubuntu 9.04 (32 and 64 bits) and also LinuxMint 7. I am new to Linux. Just want to give my opinion about the Ubuntu Community. My main source of tech support is <a href="http://ubuntuforums.org" rel="nofollow">http://ubuntuforums.org</a>. This forum scrolls so fast that most of the time my posts remain unanswered (+50% of the time). Especially now as it seems like there is more posts on the forum (may be a sign of more Ubuntu users?). In anyway, this forum becomes less useful. LinuxMint forum is more responsive.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Griffith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Griffith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jef:

Fair enough.  I have in the past noticed fluctuations in the stability of suspend/resume, especially when I was still working on a Thinkpad x40.  I didn&#039;t spend much time looking into the issue.  At the time, I just assumed it was a minor difference in driver/kernel versions.  It seemed odd that the boring Intel chipset in my netbook would be having issues, but I did hear that there were some radical/destabilizing changes in the Intel drivers recently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jef:</p>
<p>Fair enough.  I have in the past noticed fluctuations in the stability of suspend/resume, especially when I was still working on a Thinkpad x40.  I didn&#8217;t spend much time looking into the issue.  At the time, I just assumed it was a minor difference in driver/kernel versions.  It seemed odd that the boring Intel chipset in my netbook would be having issues, but I did hear that there were some radical/destabilizing changes in the Intel drivers recently.</p>
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