Comments on: Dear AMD http://www.sharms.org/blog/2007/04/dear-amd/ Life, Linux and Technology Thu, 26 Jan 2012 02:40:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: maurice http://www.sharms.org/blog/2007/04/dear-amd/comment-page-1/#comment-433 maurice Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:23:29 +0000 http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=92#comment-433 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=683&num=1 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=683&num=1

]]> By: RaghuNayak http://www.sharms.org/blog/2007/04/dear-amd/comment-page-1/#comment-432 RaghuNayak Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:01:10 +0000 http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=92#comment-432 Why should we beg for better drivers with AMD ? Just choose NVidia cards as NVidia provides better driver supports for Linux. But yes, Open Source drivers really matters !!! Why should we beg for better drivers with AMD ? Just choose NVidia cards as NVidia provides better driver supports for Linux.

But yes, Open Source drivers really matters !!!

]]> By: salvador http://www.sharms.org/blog/2007/04/dear-amd/comment-page-1/#comment-431 salvador Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:52:01 +0000 http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=92#comment-431 @ORB: That's because even if it's an old story, it still pisses the hell out of us, linux users, to have a fucked up binary driver Anyway, I just submitted a support request for proper linux drivers on the ati support website, I suggest you all do the same @ORB: That’s because even if it’s an old story, it still pisses the hell out of us, linux users, to have a fucked up binary driver
Anyway, I just submitted a support request for proper linux drivers on the ati support website, I suggest you all do the same

]]> By: bro http://www.sharms.org/blog/2007/04/dear-amd/comment-page-1/#comment-430 bro Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:14:50 +0000 http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=92#comment-430 I dunno about the innerworkings of Ati/AMD but I will never buy ati again and I know that I'm telling others. How much work could it be for them to write these drivers? Obviously a lot, as there windows drivers for my x1400 aren't to great either (and I'm not even a gamer...) I dunno about the innerworkings of Ati/AMD but I will never buy ati again and I know that I’m telling others. How much work could it be for them to write these drivers? Obviously a lot, as there windows drivers for my x1400 aren’t to great either (and I’m not even a gamer…)

]]> By: ORB http://www.sharms.org/blog/2007/04/dear-amd/comment-page-1/#comment-429 ORB Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:33:42 +0000 http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=92#comment-429 how did u get so many diggs by writing such an old story and that too writing so little about it? how did u get so many diggs by writing such an old story and that too writing so little about it?

]]> By: BrokenCrystal http://www.sharms.org/blog/2007/04/dear-amd/comment-page-1/#comment-428 BrokenCrystal Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:38:46 +0000 http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=92#comment-428 As far as open sourcing their drivers... ATI says they cannot for various reasons... We can't have everything we want, and I accept that... What I cannot accept is how ATI (after all this time) cannot take a hint that their drivers suck. Can't they figure this out on their own? If they are not sure where they are falling short, I can give them a hint... **AIGLX** I tell ALL my friends, coworkers, and family (including in-laws) to not buy ATI because their drivers do not support composite or AIGLX. While they do not know exactly what this means, they listen because they know that I know what I am talking about. Many of them are Windows users, yet they will take my advice because of my position. I let them know that ATI's drivers are terrible. Until ATI/AMD make drivers for Linux that support composite/AIGLX, my friends, family, coworkers, anyone who asks my advice, the guy standing looking at them on the shelf at the store who I kindly offer advice to, and myself (even the Windows users) will not buy ATI graphics cards. We buy NVIDIA for now. (It has been many years and counting) Keywords for ATI/AMD to remember while developing drivers: *Linux *Composite *AIGLX Thank you, BrokenCrystal As far as open sourcing their drivers… ATI says they cannot for various reasons… We can’t have everything we want, and I accept that… What I cannot accept is how ATI (after all this time) cannot take a hint that their drivers suck. Can’t they figure this out on their own? If they are not sure where they are falling short, I can give them a hint… **AIGLX**

I tell ALL my friends, coworkers, and family (including in-laws) to not buy ATI because their drivers do not support composite or AIGLX. While they do not know exactly what this means, they listen because they know that I know what I am talking about. Many of them are Windows users, yet they will take my advice because of my position. I let them know that ATI’s drivers are terrible. Until ATI/AMD make drivers for Linux that support composite/AIGLX, my friends, family, coworkers, anyone who asks my advice, the guy standing looking at them on the shelf at the store who I kindly offer advice to, and myself (even the Windows users) will not buy ATI graphics cards. We buy NVIDIA for now. (It has been many years and counting)

Keywords for ATI/AMD to remember while developing drivers:

*Linux
*Composite
*AIGLX

Thank you,
BrokenCrystal

]]> By: PENIX http://www.sharms.org/blog/2007/04/dear-amd/comment-page-1/#comment-427 PENIX Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:49:11 +0000 http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=92#comment-427 All it takes is one good programmer with access to the hardware specs. How can they turn their backs on this entire market? All it takes is one good programmer with access to the hardware specs. How can they turn their backs on this entire market?

]]> By: Yuzle! http://www.sharms.org/blog/2007/04/dear-amd/comment-page-1/#comment-426 Yuzle! Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:05:54 +0000 http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=92#comment-426 And yet nVidia and Intel manage to do it. And yet nVidia and Intel manage to do it.

]]> By: mo2 http://www.sharms.org/blog/2007/04/dear-amd/comment-page-1/#comment-425 mo2 Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:04:01 +0000 http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=92#comment-425 you guys dont know the inner workings of ati. amd is out to change it a bit, but i belive they still follow suit. When all the beta testers and ati people were talking a couple years back, there plan was to alienate openGL and praise the directx because of the sales, this is not documented, but its truth. ati has direct contact with microsoft - they work with microsoft and the communication/marketing between them is great! they worked together making the CCC center for the ati drivers in .net and all the stuff for vista, mind you nvidia is still behind in that area. thats where the money was, and thats where microsoft shot some marketing speak to them. i wish stuff like this would be documented much better... but unless amd changes the linux drivers ati wont do anything. it was also noted publicly that linux was much less used in grfx applications so less need for support. they said there linux support staff was as big as the need for linux drivers, and thats really low from what they gather. i cant comment on the ammount of staff, and they wont either, but its not a high number at all. you guys dont know the inner workings of ati. amd is out to change it a bit, but i belive they still follow suit. When all the beta testers and ati people were talking a couple years back, there plan was to alienate openGL and praise the directx because of the sales, this is not documented, but its truth. ati has direct contact with microsoft – they work with microsoft and the communication/marketing between them is great! they worked together making the CCC center for the ati drivers in .net and all the stuff for vista, mind you nvidia is still behind in that area.

thats where the money was, and thats where microsoft shot some marketing speak to them. i wish stuff like this would be documented much better… but unless amd changes the linux drivers ati wont do anything.

it was also noted publicly that linux was much less used in grfx applications so less need for support. they said there linux support staff was as big as the need for linux drivers, and thats really low from what they gather. i cant comment on the ammount of staff, and they wont either, but its not a high number at all.

]]> By: Weasel http://www.sharms.org/blog/2007/04/dear-amd/comment-page-1/#comment-424 Weasel Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:44:16 +0000 http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=92#comment-424 AMD/ATi, please add: - gl_ext_texture_from_pixmap so we can use beryl/compiz - an inverse discrete cosine transform (IDCT) acceleration interface (XVMC?) so we can hardware accelerate mpeg-2 decoding - support at least hardware bob deinterlacing, or preferably, motion-compensated deinterlacing - enable the ability to render idct-accelerated video to a texture so we can have hardware decoded high definition video on the sides of our cube desktops - do it for multiple videos simultaneously. (if that isn't too crazy!) - improve framerates. Avoid buying third party code for your drivers so you have full control of the licensing and can open your drivers up. Do it faster than nVidia, because if desktop Linux becomes mainstream, and nVidia have open drivers, being developed rapidly when yours are not, then you're in trouble. Code for CPUs is developed openly. I'll bet it's not causing a problem for AMD processor sales. Why is GPU code developed in a closed environment? By limiting the ways your hardware can be used, you are limiting the sale of your hardware. A hundred thousand people (the open source community) can think of more ideas than a hundred (the developers). Embrace our imagination. AMD/ATi, please add:
- gl_ext_texture_from_pixmap so we can use beryl/compiz
- an inverse discrete cosine transform (IDCT) acceleration interface (XVMC?) so we can hardware accelerate mpeg-2 decoding
- support at least hardware bob deinterlacing, or preferably, motion-compensated deinterlacing
- enable the ability to render idct-accelerated video to a texture so we can have hardware decoded high definition video on the sides of our cube desktops
- do it for multiple videos simultaneously. (if that isn’t too crazy!)
- improve framerates.

Avoid buying third party code for your drivers so you have full control of the licensing and can open your drivers up.
Do it faster than nVidia, because if desktop Linux becomes mainstream, and nVidia have open drivers, being developed rapidly when yours are not, then you’re in trouble.

Code for CPUs is developed openly. I’ll bet it’s not causing a problem for AMD processor sales. Why is GPU code developed in a closed environment?
By limiting the ways your hardware can be used, you are limiting the sale of your hardware.

A hundred thousand people (the open source community) can think of more ideas than a hundred (the developers).

Embrace our imagination.

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