Comments on: What apple gets right that we get wrong http://www.sharms.org/blog/2007/03/what-apple-gets-right-that-we-get-wrong/ Life, Linux and Technology Thu, 26 Jan 2012 02:40:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: djouallah mimoune http://www.sharms.org/blog/2007/03/what-apple-gets-right-that-we-get-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-351 djouallah mimoune Sun, 01 Apr 2007 19:49:24 +0000 http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=78#comment-351 thanks really for this article, did you ever think about people who have not permanet web access, just to laugh or perhaps to cry yesterday i wanted to download gnome planner and guess what after searching for all those weird packages i decided after that to download the software under windows because it just work and i am sure that no fu..... dependency problem will pop up so thanks for really for your courage to say that installing software in linux is just a cra... friendly ps: shi... the net connexion here for 1 hour in a cybercafe is the equivalent of 1 dollar thanks really for this article, did you ever think about people who have not permanet web access, just to laugh or perhaps to cry yesterday i wanted to download gnome planner and guess what after searching for all those weird packages i decided after that to download the software under windows because it just work and i am sure that no fu….. dependency problem will pop up

so thanks for really for your courage to say that installing software in linux is just a cra…

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ps: shi… the net connexion here for 1 hour in a cybercafe is the equivalent of 1 dollar

]]> By: eik http://www.sharms.org/blog/2007/03/what-apple-gets-right-that-we-get-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-350 eik Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:42:38 +0000 http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=78#comment-350 There were 5-10 points on the article. The comments seem to focus on splitting hair over one (most likely the least important one). Way to go. There were 5-10 points on the article. The comments seem to focus on splitting hair over one (most likely the least important one). Way to go.

]]> By: Henrik Pauli http://www.sharms.org/blog/2007/03/what-apple-gets-right-that-we-get-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-349 Henrik Pauli Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:12:02 +0000 http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=78#comment-349 htop’s author is maintaining a linux distribution that’s about just that :) You should look into it. htop’s author is maintaining a linux distribution that’s about just that :) You should look into it.

]]> By: Erik http://www.sharms.org/blog/2007/03/what-apple-gets-right-that-we-get-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-348 Erik Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:01:08 +0000 http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=78#comment-348 I like this idea, mostly because of the chroot part of it. If we implemented the idea of an .app folder, actually chrooted it when the app was running, but symlinked in shared libraries and configuration files, then that would be on to something. The package manager would automatically keep libraries and configuration files that were needed by only one app with it in its directory, but as soon as another app needed the same files, they would be moved to a common directory and symlinked to their respective programs. In this way, if someone actually "took over" any app at all, they would only get access to that specific app's files and nothing else. I like this idea, mostly because of the chroot part of it. If we implemented the idea of an .app folder, actually chrooted it when the app was running, but symlinked in shared libraries and configuration files, then that would be on to something. The package manager would automatically keep libraries and configuration files that were needed by only one app with it in its directory, but as soon as another app needed the same files, they would be moved to a common directory and symlinked to their respective programs. In this way, if someone actually “took over” any app at all, they would only get access to that specific app’s files and nothing else.

]]> By: Killerkiwi http://www.sharms.org/blog/2007/03/what-apple-gets-right-that-we-get-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-347 Killerkiwi Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:47:34 +0000 http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=78#comment-347 Sounds like what klik is trying to do, Note they only target user apps so services like samba would note qualify http://klik.atekon.de/ Sounds like what klik is trying to do, Note they only target user apps so services like samba would note qualify http://klik.atekon.de/

]]> By: admin http://www.sharms.org/blog/2007/03/what-apple-gets-right-that-we-get-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-346 admin Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:50:56 +0000 http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=78#comment-346 "Users who can’t get their head around this should not be poking around the file system. It’s all about knowing your own depth." I have no issues navigating our current file system, but what I do have is an open mind to changes. My own depth is not the issue, but your inability to intelligently comment on the issue may be. “Users who can’t get their head around this should not be poking around the file system. It’s all about knowing your own depth.”

I have no issues navigating our current file system, but what I do have is an open mind to changes. My own depth is not the issue, but your inability to intelligently comment on the issue may be.

]]> By: Dave Taylor http://www.sharms.org/blog/2007/03/what-apple-gets-right-that-we-get-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-345 Dave Taylor Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:22:09 +0000 http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=78#comment-345 I personally like the idea of application folders, I like things that are simple and don't break. I think the main problem standing in the way of something like this is firstly a decent implementation but mostly people like those above this comment. It's hard to imagine people stuck with traditions in such a fast moving field but that's what seems to have happened. I personally like the idea of application folders, I like things that are simple and don’t break. I think the main problem standing in the way of something like this is firstly a decent implementation but mostly people like those above this comment. It’s hard to imagine people stuck with traditions in such a fast moving field but that’s what seems to have happened.

]]> By: Alex Jones http://www.sharms.org/blog/2007/03/what-apple-gets-right-that-we-get-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-344 Alex Jones Sat, 31 Mar 2007 19:46:35 +0000 http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=78#comment-344 Some people like to mount different parts of applications on different file systems. Good luck creating 300 different file systems for all of your fancy, de-unified /ProgramFiles/MyApp/var folders! UNIX POWER. Also the concept of one package = one application is just ridiculous. Packages are the building blocks of your OS, and may or may not contain any "applications" at all. Users who can't get their head around this should not be poking around the file system. It's all about knowing your own depth. Oh, and finally, we already have support for this kind of thing: /opt. Some people like to mount different parts of applications on different file systems. Good luck creating 300 different file systems for all of your fancy, de-unified /ProgramFiles/MyApp/var folders!

UNIX POWER.

Also the concept of one package = one application is just ridiculous. Packages are the building blocks of your OS, and may or may not contain any “applications” at all.

Users who can’t get their head around this should not be poking around the file system. It’s all about knowing your own depth.

Oh, and finally, we already have support for this kind of thing: /opt.

]]> By: Josef Assad http://www.sharms.org/blog/2007/03/what-apple-gets-right-that-we-get-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-343 Josef Assad Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:35:18 +0000 http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=78#comment-343 Maybe you should be using gobolinux and not ubuntu. Maybe you should be using gobolinux and not ubuntu.

]]> By: Davi d Edmundson http://www.sharms.org/blog/2007/03/what-apple-gets-right-that-we-get-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-342 Davi d Edmundson Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:20:40 +0000 http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=78#comment-342 This approach isn't suitable for all applications, Take the Samba daemon for example, the configuration file shouldn't go in the application folder. It should reside in /etc without question. Also it doesn't want to have a shiny application that you have in your Application folder, Installing a CLI app/daemon in OS X is a nightmare, To get round the issue of libraries, could the developer/package maintainer not statically link them into the binary? By all means take inspiration from an alternative method of the installation problem. But I think it can only be described as different, not superior, nor worse. This approach isn’t suitable for all applications, Take the Samba daemon for example, the configuration file shouldn’t go in the application folder. It should reside in /etc without question. Also it doesn’t want to have a shiny application that you have in your Application folder,

Installing a CLI app/daemon in OS X is a nightmare,

To get round the issue of libraries, could the developer/package maintainer not statically link them into the binary?

By all means take inspiration from an alternative method of the installation problem. But I think it can only be described as different, not superior, nor worse.

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