Dear Karl,
Since you obviously require more credit for your contributions than anyone ever before, I would like to suggest Ubuntu to do the following to satify your demands:
Karlbuntu specific release:
This release will come stock with a background that reads “Make sure you are aware the system monitor was created by Karl Lattimer”.
Why don’t you do me a favor, take this as a formal request: In your release notes for anything you make, I want you to list each individual who contributed anything to the toolchain you used to create the program:
- Which distro do you run? Credit all of them
- Which compiler do you use? Credit all of them
- Which toolkit did you use? Credit all of them.
- Which desktop did you use? Credit all of them
- Which IDE did you use? Credit all of them
- What kernel did you use? Credit all of them
- Which PC brand did you use? Credit all of them
- …
Everything is where it is today because you, like everyone else, are building on past work that allows you to do what you do. You’re not a special butterfly, and your contribution, while useful, does not require special attribution any more than every piece of hardware, software, or tool in life that allowed you to do it.
Oh, your weblog in which you post these things: Every post make sure to acknowledge every contributor to apache, wordpress, php and mysql.
This post is my personal opinion and does not reflect the views of anyone in the Ubuntu community.
No related posts.
#1 by jldugger on July 2, 2008 - 1:42 pm
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“This post is my personal opinion and does not reflect the views of anyone in the Ubuntu community.”
It also does not reflect being respectful, collaborative, or resolving differences constructively. This post sailed straight past the Code of Conduct and has landed quite violently in Personal Attack territory. =(
#2 by admin on July 2, 2008 - 1:49 pm
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If you can read this: http://zee-nix.blogspot.com/2008/06/shame-ubuntu-shame.html
Specifically his comments, and his interactions, and intelligently dispute the points above jldugger, I would appreciate it.
Yes the karl-buntu logo may be a bit over the line, but pales in comparison to his comments.
#3 by drew on July 2, 2008 - 2:30 pm
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The logo actually made me laugh – the post might be violating CoC but at least it is funny.
#4 by Daniel Holbach on July 2, 2008 - 2:49 pm
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I’m disappointed – does this post help anybody? Does it make anything better? No, it just adds fuel to the fire. “His comments are even worse than mine” is no justification.
What would have helped instead? What about a discussion how can we better credit other people for their work? How can we build ties between Ubuntu and Upstreams?
#5 by Adhemar on July 2, 2008 - 3:15 pm
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This post may add fuel to the fire, but it also brings a bit of humour in. It may be an overstatement to say that this made may day, if for no other reason then for the fact that today’s xkcd is even funnier.
Essentially, the disclaimer “This post is my personal opinion and does not reflect the views of anyone in the Ubuntu community.†clearly logically implies that the author is most definitely not someone in the Ubuntu community.
#6 by Leo on July 2, 2008 - 3:43 pm
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You made me laugh
#7 by Vadim P. on July 2, 2008 - 3:46 pm
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Solution: never code for FOSS again, if you’re anal about getting your name in.
Saying “oh I didn’t mean it so bad, I didn’t mean it like that” after you started the ruckus is simply childish and shows that you had no idea what were you doing, no?
#8 by mimoune djouallah on July 2, 2008 - 4:49 pm
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that’s sad, making personal attack on a foss hacker, whatever the reason was , is just not constructive.
#9 by Aaron on July 2, 2008 - 5:15 pm
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Replying to comment #2:
So, admin, because he violated the CoC in blog comments, gives you reason to as well? You are clearly out of line with this post, which actually, is rather sad.
#10 by Julian on July 2, 2008 - 5:24 pm
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This post is a completely unnecessary personal attack, this isn’t helping anyone and hurting the community.
#11 by Nicolas Deschildre on July 2, 2008 - 5:26 pm
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Please…
Seriously…
This is not even non-constructive, this is destructive.
#12 by Falor on July 2, 2008 - 6:21 pm
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Hilarious.
#13 by John Stowers on July 2, 2008 - 6:31 pm
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Your conduct here is embarrassing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
I would expect a responsible person to apologize for this post.
#14 by Alex on July 2, 2008 - 6:39 pm
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This was the funniest post I have read on the planet, keep it up
#15 by admin on July 2, 2008 - 6:42 pm
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John — I will concede that my argument is not logically sound from that standpoint, but asking for credit for something in which you are less than .0001% of it coming together to me needs to be reprimanded.
He didn’t make the compiler. He didn’t invent the language. He didn’t invent the hardware. He didn’t invent the OS. None of it. It is a great contribution yes, but does it need to be acknowledged above all else? No.
It’s a contribution. That’s all.
#16 by BigMike on July 2, 2008 - 6:49 pm
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This post is perfect. People are only going to take offense because they:
1. Like to complain abut others.
2. Whet it is shown how absurd they can’t take the criticism coming back at them.
#17 by Dave on July 2, 2008 - 7:06 pm
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I think the whole thing could have been avoided a polite reply saying
“I’m sorry, we can’t acknowledge you in the report because otherwise we’d have to acknowledge everybody, and some people are bound to get left out” would avoid everything. I don’t think it would be right to put people names in that announcement as it’s trying to appear almost “corporate” . Their must have been a misunderstanding in which they thought you were requesting they removed it.
Karl, if you read this. Don’t have a hissy fit and respond, just ignore the immaturity and keep on coding.
#18 by Vadim P. on July 2, 2008 - 7:15 pm
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@Dave: Actually, Mark Shuttleworth personally said that to Karl, and Karl replied with a profanity and sarcasm filled post.
See here: http://zee-nix.blogspot.com/2008/06/shame-ubuntu-shame.html
And let me know what you think of Karl’s actions now.
#19 by Tom on July 2, 2008 - 8:01 pm
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I have chillpills for anyone getting aggravated by the whole thing. Has anyone looked at the about screen for the task manager in Ubuntu? Karl’s name is right there.
#20 by joeblow on July 2, 2008 - 9:09 pm
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Lattimer’s arrogance and presumptuousness, his clear contempt for the Ubuntu project and community, and his sarcastic comments to and unwarranted attack on Mark and his motives make me wish that there was a button to remove his damn interface onto the network monitor (for I like to feel good about the software I’m using).
If you think this is hyperbole, go check out both the relevant comments and the ‘about’ page on his blog. He’s an angry man, contemptuous of the ‘gullible sheep’ he believes he is surrounded by. Given his attitude and behaviour, I don’t think his UI is worthy of inclusion in a distro like Ubuntu.
Of course, he’ll probably now leave his number with my secretary together with an instruction to phone him back to explain this comment.
#21 by William Thigpen on July 3, 2008 - 3:06 pm
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This is why Ubuntu and all open source products will fail. One persons greed will be the undoing of everything. Socialism will never work in a functioning society. Open source software is an example of this. Windows and/or Mac OS will continue to be the OS of choice.
#22 by Vadim P. on July 3, 2008 - 7:55 pm
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Actually they aren’t the OS of choice on the server, and since your theory applies equally to both, it is already proven wrong.
#23 by joeblow on July 4, 2008 - 7:17 am
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@ William Thigpen
You’re confusing collaborative software creation with socialism. The two are quite distinct. The latter is an economic and political philosophy, that seeks to control such things as ownership of the means of production, equitable distribution of goods and services, etc.
The former is simply a form of collaboration in order to achieve shared goals, many of which are equally agreeable to anarchists, socialists, capitalists, environmentalists, etc. etc. Open source/FOSS is all about finding a project you like, joining in with discussion about direction and goals, and ultimately hacking on code in a CVS tree. Hardly socialism.
In fact, and ironically given your claim, many who contribute to open source projects are able to do so precisely because of the economic surplus (both in terms of time and money) that the *capitalist* system has made possible. And of course, sometimes thanks to sponsorship from major capitalist entities.
Such facts probably help explain why your claim about the viability of open source software demonstrably diverges from reality.